katalina76 wrote:
MISSMAY wrote:


And the Nic stuff, swear I think Shirley is in with Helena and I think Nic is too. Shirley knows Liz is working, puts up those signs, then takes them down right after Nic leaves, I think Liz was right to think Nic was waiting for her

I hope it plays out that Elizabeth has the upper hand and gets out of this on her own.   Once again going back to Drink...we want Elizabeth to find her strength and independence on her own.
I'm with you, MISSMAY.  I don't want anyone to have to come to Liz's rescue.  I want her to outwit them all on her own.  Just once, it would be nice if a female on this show didn't need saving.  But either way, I'm looking forward to how this all plays out.



I think Liz is going to figure it out, but Lucky will not come to her aid when she needs him. She won't go to Jason because she promised she wouldn't or he will be unavailable. Nic will be sided with Helena and while he might not know the extent of her plan, Liz will not know that. She won't go to Steven because Steven is being blackmailed by Helena. IMO Liz will pay the ultimate price, and everyone will figure out Liz was a pawn this entire time. Only Lucky will blame Nic, Nic will blame Lucky, Jason will blame himself, Steven will make excuses. And at the end of the day, Valentine stepped in a saved Liz and no one will realize it until Liz returns, as the strong woman we have been awaiting. BH said she was excited to play a character more like Carlys a while back, I think the spoiler about the old Liz being gone will come true. She will be outspoken and really not care what anyone has to say or think about her from now on. The fact she comes with Valentine will scare the heck out of Helena, because I really think he knows EVERYTHING, perhaps stuff about his "cousin" Scam, about Liz, about Helena using Liz, about Nic and using Nic, even Luke and Helena both keeping Liz and Lucky apart. About Steven...