Or when you get shot down every time.

First we had the Wishful Thinking Thread for a specific reason and now we have the Wheels Thread, which was also started for a specific reason so it should be kept in tune with that in mind but I can understand when sometimes you just can't......

But THIS thread is the place to be discussing LIASON ONLY whether both are on screen or not and the ones that don't want to, shouldn't be visiting, especially if it's only to disagree